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My very first statement regarding this Prince/Jarl discussion was that it pained me to call him a Prince. I really am not trying to promote him on the USA clan website. I just seem to have inherited a body of material that I thought was correct. Just now I have deleted "Prince" or put in (jarl) on 420 places of this website. I really can't change everything such as: Names of numerous articles and books written by Pete Cummings about Prince Henry Sinclair. Other titles of books with Henry's name. Names of celebrations, a medal, several existing monuments, newspaper and Yours Aye articles, committees, a birthday cake, foundations, Prince Henry Preceptory and the Prince Henry Monument at Nosshead, exhibitions and Prince Henry Sinclair Society of North America, etc. Also have taken Florentia and unproven marriage out, and Duke of Oldenburg title. Long ago I made notations that the 8 or 9 St. Clair knights at Hastings was not supported by evidence. If Niven comes up with it, then all will be recorded. if we get proof about the Oldenburg title, we should reconsider his title. Anyone have an idea how to research this? If you are tired of this discussion over ancient things that might never be proven, try out the new link from www.clansinclairusa.org "history" "St. Clairs/Sinclairs at Events that Shaped our World" top of middle column. some of you object to accessing things through the clan website. In that case you can go straight to http://www.clansinclairusa.org/ev_worldevents.htm and sadly miss the new animated character at the link. Here you will find brief information and info links on many St. Clairs/Sinclairs of more recent times that were involved in major world-changing events. I have more to add and perhaps you have some candidates??? Laurel [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html