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An order supresssed on charges of heresy in the fearly fourteenth century, with its leaders totured and burnt, is well and truly suppressed. The order is still under papal edict of suppression. The Templar tradtion lived on, presrved by various families - but the order was well and truly gone. It may be accurate, under certain conditions, to speak of the ongoing Templar tradition, but it is deceitful and grossly misleading to speak of individuals being members of the order many decades after its last surviving members had died. Let us have some degree of accuracy - or do you really wish to manufacture ammunition that the numerous critics and doubters can use to discredit Earl Henry St Clair and all he achieved? Semantics are no substitute for accuracy. Tim [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html