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Dear Joe, Who declared war? In the United States only the Congress has the right to do so. Who is the enemy? I believe bin Landen and his organisation to be evil. Bin Laden does not want oil, he wants God or at least his perverted view of God. However I think that every man deserves a full and fair hearing by a jury of his peers. My belief and proof are two different things The Constitution of the United States of America states; Article III 3. The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the State where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. "Let's talk about "facing reality"!" Your excellent reference to "The Wistleblower Magazine" http://www.wnd.com/ talks about reality: Quote "America is at war, but who is the enemy - the real enemy? .. . ...Yet, Islam, which claims 1.2 billion adherents worldwide - and 3 to 7 million in the U.S. -- is largely unknown and mysterious to most Westerners. "Islam is a religion of peace," Americans are constantly reassured, the terrorists supposedly comprising only a deadly lunatic fringe of a few hundred or even a few thousand who have "hijacked" Islam to philosophically justify their murderous hatred of the West. Not so. While President Bush in his historic Sept. 20 speech "dismissed al-Qaida's version of Islam as a repudiated 'fringe form of Islamic extremism,'" explains Mideast expert Daniel Pipes, "Muslims on the streets of many places - Pakistan and Gaza in particular - are fervently rallying to the defense of al-Qaida's vision of Islam. ..militant Islamism is one of the fastest-growing movements in the world today. Like Communism and Nazism, Islamism is a brutal, coercive utopian movement - a politicized and virulent interpretation and implementation of Islam -- bent on nothing less than total world domination. In fact, best estimates are that 10-15 percent of Muslims worldwide are of the militant Islamist strain. That means well over 100 million human beings are, to a greater or lesser degree, caught up with what amounts to the world's most dangerous cult. " Endquote >From the Qu'ran "And He (Allah) said: Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know. (V.2:216)" Allah (swt) further said: i.e. Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is better for you than your staying (back at home). Regarding the reward Allah said: (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eternity ( 'Adn Paradise)-that is indeed the great success. (V.6 1 :12). What good does it do us to win this "War" and lose our values in doing so. bin Laden wins if we are forced to live in fear. bin Laden wins if we destroy a thousand years of Christian civilisation to save it. My proudest day will come when I can identify myself, not as British or European but as an earthling. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Erkes" <erkesjoe@nycap.rr.com> To: <sinclair@quarterman.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:47 PM Subject: Re: More Questions than Answers > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html