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P.S. to Mel, If any cloth around the wrinkles becomes distorted in an attempt to support the wrinkles, then iron the surrounding cloth, too. It does no good to negotiate with wrinkles or their supporters. They will promise anything, but will come back the next time you wear your kilt unless they learn that it doesn't pay. Richard [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html