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Relative to the Irish terrorists - America has pretty much stayed out of it. Mr. Clinton did manaage to get two the pros and cons together and they agreed to something to stop the bloodshed. However, I understand that Mr. Bush has stood away from this effort so that the battle goes on. There is a very low key effort that brings children from Northern Ireland to the US for the summer, irrepective of their religions to give them a little peace and a chance to see the other side doesn't wear horns, etc. This is sponsored by a children's organization. I know people from my church participate each summer. The other problem, from what I am hearing from an Ulsterman now living in England, that there are many factions to the pros and cons. The groups evidently feel they are the only people hurting and do not want to join together and seek a peaceful end. Not being there, I have no idea of who the groups are and what they really want, other than either reunite all of Ireland or complete separation of the North from the rest of Ireland and a Protestant Country. If indeed the history of this reaches back to the early English kings who wanted to unite all of the islands under English rule and the Protestant Reformation and the problems back and forth with that over several reigns, how is anyone going to sell the idea of peace when each side feels so damaged by the politics of many centuries? Am I to understand that the Clearances brought most(?) of the Scots to Ulster after 1746? Cromwell sent English to both ends of the island about 1609. There is/was a question of land ownership and rents charged to the people on the land. The rents got to the point that they were impossible to pay. The land lords got greedy and forced people off who had rents for a long period only to give the land to a favorite. Yes, I know, this is a tip of the very deep problem. I do not see that America can bring the many sides together. Bullets aren't solving anything. Anger on both sides and unwillingness to see any problem but their own will only continue the mess. "You are only as happy as you are willing to be" and unhappy as well! I'll argue the middle east another time. This is enough to tie up this board for now. anyone want to discuss this offline, esdemio@att.net regards to all Sally [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html