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Dear Roy and Joan; I read and totally agreed with your principal and premise about the openness of information, especially as it touches members related to this list. John Liley may be a bit off the mark (with greatest respect to him) on the concept that if something is Masonic it is hence secret. I agree from both the perspective of a Mason and a Sinclair and an individual that has a deep respect for both Rosslyn as an international site of cultural heritage that Rosslyn architecture is an open ended piece of research that is still unfolding. But also I am an intelligent individual who believes "that light and knowledge belong to every generation". That last quotation was from an individual that was a Mason and the President of the American philosophical society by the name of Jefferson. William St. Clair was brilliant and created something so unique, a site that was a respectful dedication to all religions of the time including Christianity, Nordic, Celtic and Jewish among others. It is only recently that it was understood to incorporate many of the Masonic imagery and symbolism that now links Masonry to the 13th century and before. That it is important for a multi cultural heritage and makes it important to the history of many societies but above all an institution that demonstrated the many valid pathways to God and the design of spiritual art. Now Masonry is an open society that has a culture centered on morality and making good men better within the underlying fraternity. There is "no myth of the Masons", but many mythologies are incorporated in the craft. One had only to see the Statue of Liberty last week to understand that many of the American values are inter twined into Masonic values and the liberal philosophical approached that dominated the latter half of the 17th century in many locations throughout the world. They lead up to concepts as freedom of religion and universal freedom and democracy. Many good individuals all through time were Masons, and still are. It is sad that many Masons really have little appreciation of without a key understanding of ancient religions, languages, and cultures of what underlines their ceremonies and symbolism. You may want to know that the foremost studies of Masonry are in academic Universities and I have never found anything in a lodge that was not in the public domain in Amazon.Com or a good library. Many Masons get confused as to secrecy and the origins of it. But all that said, let me underline the central importance of what I see underlying the Rosslyn Chapel. This is an important universal celebration of mankind's many approaches to God. To my mind this makes the importance of Rosslyn unique and puts William St Clair well up on the list for great thinkers of the ancient era. It is a perspective that is needed today as much as in the 1400's. Access to ideas in never limited, and research is knowledge which all Masons will share as being a light illuminating the world through time. . Cheers and blessings to all Sincs in New Zealand ! Neil Sinclair From: "Joan and Roy Sinclair" > John your mailing re Rosslyn Chapel is disturbing, I believe that the Chapel is open to all, as is financial support, it is not exclusive to any one society. The statement that the research and information details will only be available to approved Masons perpetrates the myth of the masons and divides the Sinclair Clan into the haves and the have nots. As an elder for 50+yrs in the Presbyterian Church I believe in the freedom of access to everybody and as a non mason although my late father was, and a> strong supporter of the Sinclair Clan I feel that my position must be heard The Rosslyn Chapel and its problems are of interest to all, particularly as the same problem is being experienced in churches here in New Zealand. A problem shared is a problem solved. > Roy Sinclair [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html