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Roy, You might be missing the context of what John was saying. His email contained nothing that anyone could call disturbing. He was plainly stating the creation of a Research Lodge. A regular craft lodge is open to all who are freemasons. A Research Lodge by definition is only open to those freemasons that elect to join these additional lodges. The reason for this is that the business of a Research Lodge is different to that of Craft lodges. The business transactions of a lodge (craft or otherwise) are pertinent only to its members, not non-members. Therefore, I hope the restriction is explained regarding that which John spoke of. It has a specific masonic context. So in this context, it in no way divides the Sinclair clan into haves and have nots. However, you will find that many masons are happy to share and discuss many matters that may touch upon topics shared with non-masons. It is a situation of being as helpful and useful as one can be, without conflicting with the tenents that one holds in mutual fidelity with his masonic peers. If you are concerned about being a have not, please feel free to make enquiries about joining your local lodge. In this way you could follow through on the freedom of access issues you raised. As to it perpetrating the myth of the masons; what myth do you allude to? And should a 'myth' be a persuasive argument? Myths have their uses, but this comes from careful investigation and enquiry of the facts behind them. Certainly, to apply your church experiences to freemasonry would be a mistake, and be applying apples with oranges. With respect to your experience, of which I don't question, I can't see how your statement can translate from 50+yrs in the Presbyterian Church to be applied to the transactions of a Masonic Research Lodge? The two arenas are quite separate. As a practicing Roman Catholic; my own masonic membership is an adjunct to my beliefs, but neither limits, or discriminates upon one to the other, they serve separate purposes and should not be confused or co-mingled, as one overlapping the other. In conclusion. What John described was of interest to those involved in Research Lodges. This excludes over 95% of Craft masons anyway. It is just a spcial interest group that draws from masonic membership. Certainly, it is restricted, but then again, I belong to a far more restrcitive discussion group that contains only 21 members. The last member to join is also a female member of this discussion group. Due to the topics and their context most people are not likely to be able to appreciate the matters concerned with the required apprehension to contribute and develop that work. Therefore, we placed a severe restriction upon this widley constitued group. Yet, 20 of the 21 members are as an aside non-masons. It is really just a case of seeing things in their context. I hope this elucidates what I think is a common misunderstanding regarding masons, but moreso, about John's post on the Reseach Lodge and the inference you felt it contained. Remember the Sinclair activity has been a key part that has developed and resucitated the direction of human endeavour in critical times. The Sinclairs are renowned in most lodges for past great works, whilst drawing from their fervant religous beliefs which were not always under the same banner. It necessarily follows that one does not essentially reflect the other. Kindest regards to all & love where needed most in these uncertain times. Bruce Carlyon Melbourne, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Joan and Roy Sinclair [mailto:badger.s@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, 22 September 2001 1:41 PM To: sinclair@quarterman.org Subject: Division John your mailing re Rosslyn Chapel is disturbing, I believe that the Chapel is open to all, as is financial support, it is not exclusive to any one society. The statement that the research and information details will only be available to approved Masons perpetrates the myth of the masons and divides the Sinclair Clan into the haves and the have nots. As an elder for 50+yrs in the Presbyterian Church I believe in the freedom of access to everybody and as a non mason although my late father was, and a strong supporter of the Sinclair Clan I feel that my position must be heard The Rosslyn Chapel and its problems are of interest to all, particularly as the same problem is being experienced in churches here in New Zealand. A problem shared is a problem solved. Roy Sinclair [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html