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Japan a success story? Occupy a country ( Japan) after dropping Atom Bombs on it. Then fight a war in the country (Korea) that was occupied by the country you have occupied. After 55 years still occupy a large portion of the first country after losing a war in the second country. The terrible and tragic events in New York have caused a rush to judgement. We stand, as Europeans firmly with the US against terror. But, and a big but, the case must and should be proven before we take action. To talk about what is to be done after the War we must first identify who we should fight. Any thing short of that is vengeance. There is no smoking gun that points to bin Laden. This madman is waging what he thinks is a religious war. He is guilty of many terrorist acts, but is he guilty of this one? What chance would he have for a fair trial? We as Westerners have been at Islam since the First Crusade. Many Islamic people and others perceive America as a terrorist nation, and a case can be made. The Qu'ran and the Sunna chills readers with it's look at 'Holy War' The commands to participate in jihad transpires myriad times in the Koran and the Sunna. It is the best voluntary religious act that man can perform. It is better than the hajj (greater pilgrimage) and the `umra (lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and voluntary fasting, as the Koran and the Sunna indicate. Mohammed said: "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and the summit is the jihad...... In Paradise there are a hundred grades with intervals as wide as the distance between the sky and the earth. All these God has prepared for those who take part in jihad (Holy War)." This is authentic tradition. Al-Bukhaari has transmitted that he has said: "Him whose feet have become dusty in the way of God, jihad, will God save from hellfire." "A day and a night spent in ribaat [remaining at the frontiers of Islam with the intention of defending Islamic territory against the enemies] are better than one month spent in fasting and vigils. If he dies [in the fulfillment of this task], he will receive the recompense of his deeds and subsistence, and he will be protected from the Angel of the Grave." There is however a legal precedent for condemning both bin Laden and Afghanistan now. "Fury said to a mouse, That he met in the house, 'Let us both go to law: I will prosecute you.-- Come, I'll take no denial; We must have a trial: For really this morning I've nothing to do.' Said the mouse to the cur, 'Such a trial, dear Sir, With no jury or judge, would be tedious and dry.' 'I'll be judge, I'll be jury," Said cunning old Fury: 'I'll try the whole cause; and condemn you to die" Lewis Carroll Sinclair [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html