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There is no Scot quite as Scot as the Scot abroad. "Did you rise, did you fall? Did you charge for the honour of Scotland? Where you there on the day on the field of Culloden?" The basis you detect is anti stupidity. The rising of '45 was ill conceived and absurd. '45 was a dynastic crusade. The Italian was not satisfied for his father to be King in Scotland, Charles Edward Stuart wanted to be him to be king in England. '45 Served no purpose for the Scottish people, it was contrived in venom and consummated in ignorance. With the outcome it changed forever the Highland way of life. The rebel army that faced the Government at Culloden was the last feudal army to take the field in Britain and Europe. Sullivan, the Irish Quartermaster, failed miserably the brave men, who charged across a ill chosen piece of wet soggy ground a well equipped, well fed army 2 and one half it's size. Sullivan had them march overnight to Nairn on a fools errand. Linked arm to arm, to kept them from being swept away at spring flood tide, the 6,000 mem of the Highland Army crossed the swiftest flowing river in Britain. They lay in ditches, unfed, cold and wet. The Prince stood as the army, with their father's muskets, swords and targes absorbed the fire of 19 field artillery gun and 27 Coleherne mortars. The brave Highlanders, some with only farming implements, withstood the withering, murderous fire, whilst the Charlie dawdled, the weak Highland artillery answered, fitfully.. Despite the bog blunting the famed Highland charge no one can doubt the ferocious bravery of the Highland ranks. It was all over in twenty minutes. 50 English Redcoats died, their bodies buried in what is today known as English field and is farmed over their graves. 5,000 Jacobites died. The well of the dead ran red with their blood of weeks after. St. Clair Royal Scots, for the government, stood in front of the Duke of Cumberland, Billy the Butcher, son of the English king, the elector of German Hanover. On the wind swept moor of Yellow Bog (Drummossie) in that twenty minutes the Scottish National identity vanished. The absolute power of the Highland Chiefs was ended. These reforms culminated in the Dunbeath Agreement that serves today as a model for Scottish crofting. Only the heroic efforts of Sir Walter Scott and other writers gave back the to Highlands the pride of a unique culture. I am British by birth and Scottish by the grace of God Sinclair Trinity College, Glenalmond '58 ----- Original Message ----- From: alexander chalmers <steve@afsc.fsnet.co.uk> To: <sinclair@quarterman.org> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: Re: 'Sinclair sabre's ' > I was very surprised as a newcomer to see such anti Scottish sentiments in > the discussion group as shown by "LA Behotierre" Some people were fighting > for Scotland, some for their religion, or other personal reason but most of [ Excess quotations omitted. ] [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@quarterman.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://sinclair.quarterman.org/list.html