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At 10:39 26/10/00 +1000, you wrote: >To All, >Can anyone answer Kathleen's question below? > >I understand the Sinclairs were unable to rule without the Gunns >consent..what was this all about ??? > >Regards >Bruce There is no truth in this. The Gunns were never landowners in the sense that the Sinclairs were (who owned 80% of Caithness) and held lands throughout the rest of Scotland. True, we used them to do our dirty work. The Gunns, like ourselves, were of Viking descent so they were always spoiling for trouble but, in reality, the real challenge to Sinclair authority came from the Campbells, the Gordons and the Sutherlands - not from the Gunns who didn't have a single Castle to their name. They occupied Buchollie Castle for a time but that had been built by the Mowats and, before the Mowats, had been used by Sweyn Asliefsson, the greatest pillager of his day and the avowed enemy of Earl Harald Maddadsson, the 'jarl' of Orkney and, ipso facto, of Caithness (1176-1198). It was this Earl who 'lost' Shetland from the Orcadian 'jarldom' because he had supported the claim of Sigurd the son of King Magnus of Sweden rather than King Sverre of Norway*and, although King Svere eventually granted Harald a pardon, he took away Shetland from him and it remained divided from Orkney until re-granted to Prince Henry Sinclair in 1379. Sweyn was related to the Gunns. The belief that the Sinclairs could not rule Caithness without the consent or the help of the Gunns may have arisen from the name by which the "Chief" of the Clan Gunn is known. It is "crowner" but it has nothing to do with 'crowning'. The Gunns don't have a "Chief" as such. At the moment, there are three contestants for the "crowner" position. The Gunns cannot even agree amongst themselves far less with their neighbours. (My great-grandmother was a Gunn which may account for my own disputatious nature). * The Scandinavian Royal families were inter-related which gave rise to conflicting claims. Niven Sinclair >[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org >[ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html