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At 22:31 08/04/00 +0100, you wrote: >did you know that in commemoration of that event, Sir John Sinclair GCIE >GCIS (later Lord Pentland) - Secretary of State for Scotland and Governor of >Madras in India, both in the early 20th century - had two Scots *deerhounds* >as his supporters in his coat of arms, the dexter (left) holding a standard >'help' and the sinister (right) 'hold'? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Natrossinc@aol.com> >To: <sinclair@mids.org> >Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 5:36 AM >Subject: clan dogs > > > > Speaking of dogs,I love the ballad that commemorates the day that The >Bruce > > and Sir William de St Clair of Rosslyn were out hunting.William had his >two > > hunting hounds called 'Help' and 'Hold' and they were in the Pentland >Hills > > hunting an elusive white hind.When they spotted the hind,the hounds set >off > > in pursuit and it was an even bet that the hind would escape by swimming a > > burn or the hounds would bring it down.William wagered his life against > > ownership of the land they were hunting on that his hounds would win.The > > Bruce accepted this reckless wager and the ballad descibes how close a >call > > it was when the two hounds catch the deer in mid burn and drag it back to >the > > near shore. > > The last two verses-- > > The bold St Clair he sleeps in Spain, > > For with good Lord James he did part. > > When they hewed a red path through the host of slain > > To follow the Bruce's heart. > > > > But Help and Hold,as I've been told, > > May be seen in St Katherine's chapelle: > > And scion and heir of the house of St Clair > > Still love a good hound well. > > > > I fondly think that the last line refers not to a love of hunting but more >to > > a love of dogs.It certainly applies to this Sinclair. > > Cheers > > Ross Sinclair > > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org > > [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html > > The Counts Sinclair of Sweden also have two hounds as "supporters". I agree with Ross Sinclair - a Sinclair home is incomplete without a dog. Niven Sinclair >[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org >[ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html