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Dear Niven: Dr. Elizabeth Ewan of the School Scottish Studies University of Guelph (about one hour's drive from my house in Toronto), is one of several medieval scholars on staff whose expertise is specifically in old Scottish documents. She sight read for me the 1402 document signed by Henry Sinclair, son of Prince Hnery and father of Earl William, builder of Rosslyn, in which he appoints David Menzies Tutor Testimentary to his son William. It was an impressive performance and although, to be realisitc, such talent is an arcane art, it is not yet completely lost to us. This document and six others that comprise the "Rosslyn Collection" at the University of Guelph, were featured in the Winter 1999 edition of "Roslin O' Roslin" the newsletter of Clan Sinclair Canada. Yours Aye........................................Rory -----Original Message----- From: Niven Sinclair <niven@niven.co.uk> To: jsq@mids.org <jsq@mids.org> Cc: sinclair@mids.org <sinclair@mids.org> Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:42 AM Subject: Celibacy Celibacy, apart from being very boring, is not the natural order of Man's make-up. It was probably the knowledge that abstention was 'unnatural' which led to the Knights being accused of homosexuality. The strict interpretation of the order to abstain from sexual activity applied when they were on 'active service'. It would be wrong to take the celibacy rule too literally. Men invariably fall short of the ideals they set themselves. Many knights were married. Fathers and sons often served together or followed each other in the service of the Order. Some families (including our own) would have died out if this had not been so. Bob Bryden, the Templar archivist in Scotland, confirms that (a) Hughes de Payen was married to Catherine St Clair and (b) they both visited Scotland during the reign of King David I (1124 - 1153). There is an old document to that effect which I have seen. Bob has had part of it translated at £63 per page but the translator died before being able to finish the work. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find anyone who is conversant with Old Latin or, for that matter, Old Scots. For example, I could make nothing of the document which I saw. Neither words nor letters were identifiable as such. It is a highly skilled task to decipher such documents and the people who are capable of doing so belong to a dwindling band. Niven Sinclair [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html