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Dear Tim Geoffrey De Charney was the other Templer burnt with de Molay how did the Shroud come into the hand of his family?. "On the balance of evidence > available at the moment, it is highly likely that the Shroud is indeed > contemporaneous with the time of Jesus and may even be his Shroud" The evidence is that the Carbon dating may be flawed? A flawed test is no positive edivence Knight and Lomas are not the only people who feel that if not de Molay the Shroud has more probability of being Medieval that that of Our Lord Jesus Look at the other relics from the holy Land In CE. 326, Helena went on a journey to ancient Israel and selected with Macarius the sites of Christ's birth at Bethlehem and at Jerusalem, the adjoining places of his tomb burial and Crucifixion, where she happened to discover three ancient crosses in a cavern, one of which was called the true cross." Jerusalem "The Endless Crusade" by Andrew Sinclair "Here Bishop Macarius of Jerusalem came to Helena's help, by undertaking, with a prayer for God's help, to place a sick woman on each of the three crosses in turn, so that it could then be seen what happened to her on each of the three occasions. When she was placed on the first two crosses, nothing happened. Next, however, she was made to lie on the third cross., whereupon she was healed. That, it was concluded, must have been the True Cross on which Jesus met his death." "Constantine The Great" The Man And His Times Michael Grant this is how Helena told the True Cross from the other two? Hattin in 1187,Saladin captured the True Cross it was supposedly recovered and now if all the splinters were reunited we could build a very grand house. Other so called religious treasures of less popularity included the nails said to crucify Jesus, as well as bottled tears and hairs from "The Virgins Head" Please, so that I am not mis-informed, cite the evidence for the authenticity of the Shroud> Best Regards Sinclair [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html