Re: Earls

["Spirit One Email" <laurel@spiritone.com>]

Last night as I was looking at material that Niven had sent and  realized that he didn't have one of the Henrys that I have.  I checked Pete's book again and found that he has one more generation than Niven.  Now this might be a case of (1) Niven dropped a generation (2) Pete made a mistake   (3) Pete stuck a brother in as a generation which might be correct if he was Baron for part of a year but maybe he wasn't.  If this is wrong than our numbering is getting closer.  Will be sending this off by mail to Niven soon.  Can't send it by E-mail because my neat little columns get scrambled.  But I'm getting there.

Laurel

-----Original Message-----
From: Candace Michelle Hollberg <cmhollberg@mindspring.com>
To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: Earls

Laurel,

I would bet that your information is more accurate than mine.  While I have a great interest in all of this, my time is very limited and most of my information is internet related.  I am much more able to put bits of info together than to do large amounts of research.  As a mater of fact, I use a separate laptop when I am on the internet so that I can enter information with greater ease.  The problem is, when I get tiered I find myself using the mouse and wondering why the arrow on my laptop is not moving!

Michelle
 

Spirit One Email wrote:

 Candace,    I like that your chart does follow the Earldom as it moves around in the family.  According to the materials from Pete Cummings, William b.1415 was the 13th Baron of Rosslyn and the 1st Earl of Caithness.  Do you have other documentation for the title of Lord.  According to what Pete sent 3 years ago, this line from William the Seemly to William b. 1415 were all Barons of Rosslyn until William 1415 became Earl of Caithness.  This material could have been updated in this 3 year period, I suppose.    As I have said, I am working on charts to cover the earliest direct lineage down to William b. 1415.  Since I am putting these known people into a historical context I am not getting into families branching off of the main line so will await the appointing of the Clan genealogist to do that.    I would welcome anyone starting with William b. 1415 and developing the information since his time.  If a couple of us work on it from both ends, it will get done sooner.  Let's communicate and work together on this to develop a consistant format.LaurelHistorian, Clan Sinclair USA Laurel

-----Original Message-----
From: Candace Michelle Hollberg <cmhollberg@mindspring.com>
To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 5:58 PM
Subject: Earls 

I have the Sinclair Earls of Caithness as follows (please let me know of any errors),

1. William Sinclair    b. abt 1415    d. 1482    also 3rd Earl/Prince of Orkney, 6th Lord of Roslin; grandson of Prince Henry Sinclair    m- bef 15 Nov. 1456- Marjorie (Mary) Sutherland     children- William 'the Waster', Oliver, William, Eleanor, David, Robert, John, Elizabeth, Marion, Margorie

2. William Sinclair    b. 1455    d. 9 Sept. 1513 (@ Flodden Field, the Battle of Flodden)    son of above    m-1475- Mary (Margaret) Keith b. abt 1461    children- John, Alexander

3. John Sinclair    b. abt 1490    d. 18 May 1529 (in battle trying to seize Orkney)    son of above    m- Elizabeth Sutherland b. abt 1488    children- George, William

4. George Sinclair      b. 1533    d. 9 Sept. 1582    starved son in dungeon at Girnigoe    m- Elizabeth Graham b. abt 1506 d. bef 4 April 1576    children- John 'Master of Caithness', George, William, Barbara, Elizabeth, Janet, Fnu, Agnes, unnamed

5. George Sinclair    b. bef 1543    d. 1577/1578/1643    grandson of George 4, and son of John starved in Girnigoe dungeon    m- Lady Jean Gordon

6. George     Lost title and estates to Sir John Campbell of Glenorchy; (great grandson of above    m- dau of the Marquis of Argyle)?

7. George Sinclair of Keiss    d. 1698   won everything back in court including title

8. John Sinclair of Merchil    b. bef/aft 1640    d. 1705    descended from a grandson of George the 4th    m- Janet/Jean Carmichael b. abt 1640    children-

9. Alexander Sinclair    b. ca 1670    d.1775/85    son of above, failed to have a male heir and so the title passed to a cousin    m- Margaret Primrose (dau. of Archibald Primrose 1st Earl of Rosebery)     children- Dorthea Sinclair b. 4 April 1739    d. 30 Sept. 1818 Hermitage House, Leith    m- James Duff Earl of Fife 4 June 1759 no children

10. Lord William Sinclair of Ratter    d.1789    descended from the 3rd grandson (Sir John Sinclair of Greenland) of George the 4th Earl    children- John

11. John Sinclair    d. 1789     son of above, fought in American War of Independence    unmarried

12. Sir James Sinclair of Mey    d. 1823    descended from a son of George the 4th Earl, received title in 1789    m-2 Jan. 1784- Jean Campbell    children- Helen, John, Ester, Alexander, Charlotte, James, Patrick, Eric

13. Alexander Sinclair    b. 1790    d. 1858/55    son of above

14. James    d. 1881 in NY

15. George of Mey    d. 1889

16. James Augustus Sinclair    b. bef 1855    d. aft 1889/1881

17. John Sutherland Sinclair    d. 30 May 1914 at Berriedale ranch in Lacota, North Dakota/ Representative in the 30s

18. Norman MacLeod Sinclair    b. 4 April 1862

19.

20. Malcolm Ian Sinclair
 

I love all of this information but have little time to deal with it, thus I do not stand behind this info 100%.  I do feel that it is reasonably accurate.  If you have questions I can provide some sources.  When taking notes I don't usually rule out dates that differ, I simply add them as an additional piece of information.  My computer warns me when things are not feasible but two different sources can give you very different ideas when you get down to the numbers.  I would like to expand this further so please feel free to give me all you've got!

thanks,

    Michelle Hollberg