Re: Baptist Religion--A hint?

[Jean Haddow <jean@hadpad.demon.co.uk>]

In message <001a01bea3a1$abb0b7a0$412756c7@none.skypoint.com>, David &
Gloria Bouschor <haggis@skypoint.com> writes
>
>Dear Jean and Laurel,
>    The Sinclairs of Kiess were Baptists.  The old Kiess was used for
>Baptist Services by one of the owners.  These were supposedly the first
>baptist Services in Caithness.
>        Yours Aye, David
Yes - the Sinclairs of KEISS were BAPTISTS.     I am not sure what you
mean when you say the "old Kiess was used for Baptist Services by one of
the owners."  THE FACT IS THAT THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH IN SCOTLAND WAS
FOUNDED BY SIR WILLIAM SINCLAIR AND BUILT BY HIM - AND THE CHURCH WAS
KIESS BAPTIST CHURCH..  THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. "
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jean Haddow <jean@hadpad.demon.co.uk>
>To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
>Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 5:03 PM
>Subject: Re: Baptist Religion--A hint?
>
>
>>
>>In message <010d01bea094$f9065ba0$7cf382d0@laurelfe>, Spirit One Email
>><laurel@spiritone.com> writes
>>>
>>>Jean,
>>>    Do you have more information on this first Baptist Church in northern
>>>Scotland?  Baptists have a custom, as do other churches, of naming the
>first
>>>church built in each city "First Baptist Church".  So we might wonder
>>>whether it was one of these namings instead of really being the first
>church
>>>built in northern Scotland.  But certainly, somwhere there had to be a
>first
>>>Baptist church built.
>>>    I wonder about a "Sinclair" building it.  Doesn't that usually mean
>that
>>>this person provided the funds? But weren't the Sinclair Earls the only
>ones
>>>that would have had enough money to finance such a venture?  Were any of
>the
>>>Earl's a Baptist?
>>> Sometime a pastor will be linked with the building because he was the
>>>driving force to get it done.  Or it could be that a Sinclair was chairman
>>>of the Deacon Board or it could be that a Sinclair was one of the founding
>>>members.  Probably it never meant that one person built it himself (I know
>>>you didn't say that).  So I just wonder what the story would be about this
>>>event?
>>>Laurel
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jean Haddow <jean@hadpad.demon.co.uk>
>>>To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
>>>Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 7:50 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Baptist Religion--A hint?
>>No - the church was not named "first" as you do - we don't have that
>>tradition in Scotland.  I can assure that it was the first Baptist
>>church to be founded in Scotland.  It was built by a local landowner,
>>Sir William Sinclair.  He did have enough money to build the church
>>although in later years he got into financial difficulties and lost much
>>of his land.  The church is still there and still in use, my
>>grandparents worshipped there.  The church is Keiss baptist church,
>>Keiss being the name of the village where it is located.  I can assure
>>you I have got its origins right because of my close family connections
>>with it and because a friend of mine who is a Baptist minister and a
>>well respected church historian (PhD from St Andrew's University) did
>>the research..
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>In message <2373c94.36f6ccd2@aol.com>, Plumpett@aol.com writes
>>>>>
>>>>>I have read recently that a Sinclair built the first Baptist Church in
>>>>>northern Scotland !
>>>>>
>>>>>Since  the first article on this site that raised the Baptist question
>>>>>occurred several days later , I didn't note the specific details for
>later
>>>>>reference.
>>>>>
>>>>>To address the inquiry that first raised this issue , it would seem
>>>consistent
>>>>>with this finding that a specific religious affiliation could provide a
>>>>>valuable clue in finding roots in a family line .
>>>>>
>>>>>I would confirm other list member's comments that the religious
>>>affiliations
>>>>>were often fluid in this country . My own Sinclair line in the USA was
>>>first
>>>>>found to be
>>>>>Methodist- Episcopal , then Episcopal .
>>>>>
>>>>>A daughter then married into a line with Quaker , Baptist and
>Presbyterian
>>>>>member !
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe Greigg
>>>>>
>>>>>[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@jump.net.
>>>>>[ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
>>>>
>>>>It is very difficult to reply from a Scottish perspective  I am not sure
>>>>what you mean by fluid - the major change came at the REFORMATION - when
>>>>the forces of protestantism came to be dominant in Britain as a whole
>>>>and Henry the Eighth renounced his catholic faith and became head of the
>>>>Church of England.  Now, there were splits  within the Protestant
>>>>teaching and from that came such groupf as the Baptists, the
>>>>Congregationalists ets.
>>>>I've learnt in the time of being part of the Sinclair network that
>>>>direct. existing contacts with people in Scotland are of comparatively
>>>>little interest.  I can understand this since we are so remote and
>>>>possibly so few in number and our more dirsct links with the past
>>>>history of the Sinclairs  and with present possible family links  in the
>>>>States and canada etc. are difficult to establish.
>>>>Anyway I think I'll ubsubscribe for now since most folks find Scotland
>>>>and its denizens just a tad remote.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jean Haddow
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>>>>
>>>
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>>--
>>Jean Haddow
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