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Re: Ang: Estotiland



on 28/09/00 06:28, Niven Sinclair at niven@niven.co.uk wrote:

> At 09:41 28/09/00 +0200, you wrote:
>> kevin wrote:  "Would anyone know what 'Estotiland' means"
>> 
>> Estotiland could possibly mean Greenland or Nova Scotia, according to old
>> sources. It's also mentioned in John Milton's Paradise Lost - but as an
>> imaginary tract of land.
>> 
>> Erling
> 
> 
> Just as the Spaniards referred to the whole of America as Florida (now only
> a State);
> the Arabs referred to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula as
> Andalusia (now only a Province);
> the Norse referred to the whole of North America as
> 'Engroneland' which included Baffin Island,
> Labrador (Helluland)  Newfoundland (Markland)
> Estotiland (Nova Scotia),
> Vinland (New England).
> 
> The settlers of Greenland (as we know it today)
> could not have survived
> without provisions from the New World.  The saga
> of Eric 'the Red' as
> told in the "Kings Mirror" and the Bull of Pope
> Alexander VI describes
> Greenland as country  'barren of bread and
> oil'.  There are reports of a
> Bishop John of Ireland meeting his death in
> Vinland in 1066 and Bishop
> Eric (of Gardar) attending to his flock in Vinland
> (1121) from which he
> did not return.  A bishop's seat was invariably in
> the centre of his diocese
> and, that being so, Gardar would fit in
> with that norm if one takes in the
> North American territories.  It is a
> matter of historical record that the Norse
> were in the New World from the 10th
> Century onwards.  Read Storm,
> Rafn, Inverson, Nansen, Rousell, Gunnar
> Thompson et al.
> 
> I do not know whether Zeno was the first person to
> use the word "Estotiland"
> to describe the land (now known as Nova Scotia)
> but the name persists in
> subsequent maps, notably that of  DeVirga (1414)
> Claudius Clavius (1424) and
> was still being used by Resen (1605).  Most of the
> map makers rely heavily
> on the Zeno map and the known voyages
> of Nicholas of Lynn in the mid 1300's
> There are a whole host of pre-Columbian maps
> which cover North America
> whilst DeVirga's map (mentioned above)
> covers South America as far South as
> Peru.
> 
> South America was known to the Romans as Cattigara
> to the Indians as
> Patal India
> to the Arabs as Wag-Waq
> to the Spaniards as
> Ophir
> 
> It was here that Francisco Pizarro found hoards
> of Inca Gold in 1533
> 
> People have the mistaken belief that the World was populated by
> land-lubbers before the advent of Columbus.
> They have also the mistaken belief that the Europeans were the only people
> who could sail ships.
> 
> If one studies the many histories of early voyages, a completely different
> picture emerges.  In particular.
> there is an urgent need to study the maps and reports of the Richard
> Hakluyt Society which, I believe, will
> give proof positive of Henry Sinclair's voyages.  Some of the maps are
> believed to be reproduced in
> Ridpath's History of America.  Others are said to be with the Hakluyt
> Society in London (now incorporated
> in the British Museum) but my early attempts at gaining access did not meet
> with any success.  Perhaps,
> someone with more time on their hands, can take up the search.
> 
> 
> But back to "Estotiiland": Andrew Sinclair suggests that "Estotiland" may
> be a corruption of "East Scotland"
> where Henry Sinclair had his Scottish Estates
> but I prefer Erling's suggestion.
> Place names invariably describe the
> terrain e.g. Helluland: the stony land; Markland:
> the wooded land; Vinland: the land of the
> vine.  Greenland was, of course, the
> exception and was said to be part of
> the ruse to attract settlers there.  One wonders
> why?
> 
> Niven Sinclair
> 
>> 
>>>>> kevrik@shaka.com 27.09.00 19:40 >>>
>> Would anyone know what 'Estotiland' means and why Prince Henry named his new
>> lands with that particular name? Great information about Prince Henry's
>> voyages, thanks to all involved. A great time to be on the list ! Mahalo ,
>> Kevin
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Greetings,
from my past readings, I have came across one clear definition of «
Estotiland » : the land from (or of) the East - East, or «Hest» (XIIth
century English). 

FB 
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