Re: something to contemplate

[Niven Sinclair <niven@niven.co.uk>]

At 21:23 23/06/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Make that 1000 years,
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Spirit One Email <laurel@spiritone.com>
>To: sinclair@zilker.net <sinclair@zilker.net>
>Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 6:00 PM
>Subject: something to contemplate
>
>
>>
>>Cousins,
>>    Here is an idea I am tossing out.  Don't reject it
immediately.  Think
>>about how words get misunderstood and how data gets twisted
especially
>after
>>nearly 2000 years.
>>
>>
>>Here's another idea that might clear up some misunderstandings
about who
>was
>>with William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings.
>>
>>"WITH"  is the key word.  It can have two opposite
meanings.
>>One can say I fought with the British in WWII.   That means along
side of.
>>One can say I fought with my sister.   That means against.
>>Usually when we say fighting against we are doing it with
friends,
>relatives
>>or neighbors.
>>I found a statement last night that said William the Seemly
fought WITH
>>King William in Scotland.  Well, we know they were enemies by
then but were
>>still relatives so when it has said that he fought WITH William
the
>>Conqueror at Hastings, it could well mean he was fighting against
him his
>>relative.
>>Well.....it's worth thinking about at least.
>>Laurel

>> Dear Laurel,

"With" i.e. 'on the side of' or "against".

In  the instance you quote,  William 'the Seemly' was fighting
against William 'the Conqueror' who
was annoyed that Malcolm III  (Canmore) of Scotland had given refuge
to the Saxon Princess, Margaret
and to Edgar 'the Atheling' who was the rightful heir (in some eyes) to
the English throne.

William 'the Conqueror' sent a great army under the command of the Duke
of Gloucester to invade
Scotland.

William 'the Seemly' St Clair had been given the task of defending the
border against the possibility
of an English attack.  When the attack came, Malcolm reinforced the
Sinclair forces with those commanded
by the Earls of March and Monteith.  During the ensuing battle
William Sinclair dashed forward with his
forces 'to put the enemy out of order' .  The report goes on to say:
"He was slain by a multitude of his
enimnes but not before he made fall many in heaps down by his
feet".

The news of his death coming to the two other chietains, March and
Monteith, they fell 'so boldly upon
the enimie that they scarce left any alive'.

The King  and the Queen  lamented this misfortune and gave
William's son, Henry Sinclair, the lands of
Rosslyn 'in free heritage' (his father had held it in 'life rent'); made
him a knight and a captain of 600 men.

Henry outlived King Malcolm but was equally respected by King David I of
Scotland who gave him the lands of
Cardain and the command of 8,000 men.  He routed the English army at
the Battle of Allerton (now in Yorkshire)
thereby avenging the death of his father.

Niven Sinclair 



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