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Re: Hornblower-yes

OK, will grab it right away.
    We visited Louisburg Sept. 1998.  It was breathtaking.  I nearly drove
them crazy with questions.  We went on a garden tour and learned that the
paths were extra wide to accomodate the ladies wide skirts as she and the
gentleman sauntered about.  The gardens many times were laid out to
represent the French palace garden, I think.  There was so much to absorb
that might have gotten kinked.
    My John Coleman might have been shot around1761 by a cannon there. His
son was born Aug. 1761 in NYC (I assume his regiment was stationed there) so
part of the calculations for John's death come from this event.
But John, an Irishman, was "put on a hospital ship".  And he died at sea
never having seen his son.  This is the family legund maybe perpeduated by a
dishonest "genealogist", we can't tell now.  But I doubt that there were
hospital ships then and it would be odd that the English would care about an
Irishman unless he were from an titled English family living in Ireland.
Some versions give Battle of Quebec 1759 and a battle in Havanna.  The
Louisburg and Quebec dates don't seem to work unless they weren't really in
a battle but it was some little skirmish later or an accident.  But so far I
haven't gotten any information on the Havanna war except a date that seems
to work.  John could have been away a couple of years before he was shot.
    At least 8 of John's women descendants married St. Clair women in WI.
This accounts for the large Coleman section in Pete's book.
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Sinclair/Peggy Rintoul <rinsin@globalserve.net>
To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: Hornblower-yes

>Yes grab it immediately - this is the biographical book. The fact that it
>the fiction section has to do with staff of book stores having no clue as
>what they are stocking, new titles included. Now that you have a "bead" on
>the book I will forego the interesting items in it. It is long out of print
>as are the original CS Forrester series. Funny how you and I gravitated to
>the same stories of adventure, where truth is stranger than fiction. The
>pictures of Hornblower are in Parkinsons book along with what I regard as
>the mysteries of the century. Thjer are a lot of interesting parts that are
>left out of the Hornblower series that deal with his later career in the
>military and Admirality. I havent touched this topic is some 35 years and
>is exciting sharing the inspirations of our youth with someone else. You
>will also find the names and descriptions of the ships and battle tatics
>very accurate for a reason you especially will appreciate. The Admiralty
>took great pains to write everything down in painstaking detail. We forget
>that in the days of the quill pen careful records were kept in exact
>Let me give you a Canadian illustration. In Nova Scotia there is a
>reconstruction of a French Town and fort called Louisburg. It was the 3rd
>largest city on the eastern seabord in its day which dated to the early
>1700's. Now because of the Federal Government of Canada wanting to employ
>the region's population (Cape Breton) they threw all the money they could
>reconstruction. What turned up was every French record at the time allowing
>a fully exact duplication of what existed, down to the cloth for the
>clothes, the herbs and vegetation and the plans, and details of every bit
>commerce. Twenty nine million dollars later we have a full reconstruction
>the past, and totally exact.
>So accolades to historians such as you that find the values of the past and
>carry them forward to the present for the future. Have fun; Neil
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Spirit One Email <laurel@spiritone.com>
>To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
>Date: 14 April, 1999 1:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Hornblower
>>I have located this book: "Life & Times of Horatio Hornblower by C.
>>Parkinson.  IS this the book? But it says that it is in the Popular
>>section.  Why would that be?
>>It's $10.95.  Should I get it?
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Neil Sinclair/Peggy Rintoul <rinsin@globalserve.net>
>>To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
>>Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:09 AM
>>Subject: Re: Hornblower
>>>Laurel; One of the great oddities regarding Hornblower (made real by C.S.
>>>Forrester )was that he was a real figure and that his exploits as were
>>>depected by CS Forrester were accurate. The C. Nortcote Parkinson did an
>>>excellent biography some years ago but it is long out of print. This
>>>provides a good illustration of how perceived fiction becomes history.
>>>Now as for the conditions of sailing ships on the migrations away from
>>>Scotland there are some interesting observations. One is that there was a
>>>full range of experience good and bad depending on when the migration
>>>occured. The 1860's was not like the 1780's. One observation I do make is
>>>that the migrations were not easy, physically or emotionally. It was a
>>>way trip by in large, people leaving families behind did not expect to
>>>return. Secondly not everyone embarking disembarked because of the ease
>>>disease spreading on shipboard and of course no health requirements for
>>>boarding. Then there was seasickness, combined with the smells, the
>>>darkness, closeness of unwashed bodies for weeks, and lack of plumbing
>>>decks. Sound like fun? Again generalizations are too easy and Sinclairs
>>>arriving had a wide variety of experiences no doubt. Keep up your fine
>>>Yours aye; Neil Toronto-PEI-Argyll
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Spirit One Email <laurel@spiritone.com>
>>>To: sinclair@zilker.net <sinclair@zilker.net>
>>>Date: 12 April, 1999 10:13 PM
>>>>        Now I hope that everyone that has access to cable TV is watching
>>>>Horatio Hornblower shows.  I have read all 12 books while using a map to
>>>>chart each adventure.  Really, the tiny details of everyday crowded and
>>>>squalid living conditions onboard ships of the early 1800's are
>>>>Has anyone else read them?  This gives us a better picture of what our
>>>>ancestors went through as they sailed over here or to Australia, etc.
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