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Sinclair and John... I have a few brief comments regarding your interesting exchange of posts on Jihad and Holy Wars. (1) In today's parlance, a "holy war" is a war launched for religious purposes. The poster child for such wars is the Islamic conquest initiated in the seventh century (and stretching over nearly a millennium thereafter) "to make the world safe for Mohammed (and his co-religionists)". ;-) Mohammed's thinking regarding "Jihad" evolved drastically during his lifetime, During the period of Qur'anic revelation while Muhammad was in Mecca (610-622), jihad meant essentially a nonviolent struggle to spread Islam. Following his move from Mecca to Medina in 622, and the establishment of an Islamic state, fighting in self-defense was sanctioned by the Qur'an (22:39). The Qur'an began referring increasingly to qital (fighting or warfare) as one form of jihad. Two of the last verses on this topic (9:5, 29) suggest a war of conquest or conversion against all unbelievers.* and his followers went further... much much further. You chose to quote the first definition proffered by the Qur'an; I would suggest that a more correct interpretation, (and certainly one much closer to the objective historical facts of Islam), is the last definition of Jihad in the Qur'an : "a war of conquest or conversion against all unbelievers". (2) Augustine's "Just War" concept was developed to answer critics who viewed the "thou shalt not kill" commandment as a prohibition against participation in all wars by Christians. It had nothing to do with "holy wars". It was intended to distinguish moral wars from immoral wars.... a very very different concept. (3) Aquinas merely clarified Augustine's concept... for much the same reasons. Best regards, Joe Erkes * From Encyclopedia of Politics and Religion, ed. Robert Wuthnow. 2 vols. (Washington, D.C.: Congressional Quarterly, Inc., 1998), 425-426. **************************************************************************** ********* > From: "John S. Quarterman" <jsq@quarterman.org> > Reply-To: sinclair@quarterman.org > Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:29:51 -0500 > To: sinclair@quarterman.org > Subject: Re: 14 July 1099 > >> On the 14th of July 1099 AD The Crusaders Jerusalem captured Jerusalem in >> the First Crusade, after laying of siege for seven weeks. The Crusaders, >> in the name of God them promptly began slaughtering the city's Muslim and >> Jewish population. >> >> A Christian, Frankish, kingdom of Jerusalem was set up. The kingdom was [ Excess quotations omitted. ]