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I have been 'talking' with a gentleman in Scotland on what I hope to visit there and proposed Ravenscraig castle ruins in Kirkcaldy and Herdmanston castle in East Lothian. Both show on modern road maps. He was able to look up both places in Bartholomews, "Castles of Scotland" 1992. According to the book, Herdmanston is a complete ruin and nothing there to see at all. Ravenscraig is in better shape. This evidently was the home of some of the Fifeshire Sinclairs. For some reason, although it shows on the maps as being right on the water has come thru better than Herdmanston which is totally destroyed, being a "class 5" ruin, where Ravenscraig is a "class 3" Not strictly Sinclair land - but definitely in the land some of you may visit: Relative to underground Edinburgh. "There are a number of pubs in the Grass Market all of varying standards, but I would guess that the one you are talking about would have to be at the east (top) end, if it is against "the rock", which would make it one of the ones to the east of the "Last Drop", I forget the names, but included would be "Ha hangit Maggies" (cant remember the real name) and one called something like "Biddie Milligans". i'm sure someone out there knows the names!" This gentleman invites to come have a beer with him. " The Edinburgh Secret City and Ghost City tours usually leave from outside the Tron Kirk during the tourist season - tickets can be purchased in advance and in previous years, during the tourist season they used to be scheduled every 1.5 hours." And its URL: http://www.efr.hw.ac.uk/MaryKing/welcome.html This is from 2 Scottish cyber friends, when I put it up on the discussion board came back with where to buy tickets and the web site to look at. So much for 'dour' Scots!