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In translating the Papal Bull Ad ea ex quibus I am beginning to understand why only a barely readable copy scanned in Latin is available. The Pope was mad! The Pope was greedy and Pope John XXII was a hectic! Pope Adrian VI in 1523 declared John XXII a heretic. "It is beyond question that he [the pope] can err even in matters touching the faith. He does this when he teaches heresy by his own judgment or decretal." The consequence of heresy is immediate and automatic excommunication. A heretic has denied the faith and placed himself outside the Church. A heretical pope is therefore no longer even a member of the Church, much less its head. Consequently, a heretic, though pope, could not issue a Papal Bull to establish a legitimate successor to the Knights Templar. John XXII has been seen as an exceptionally holy man. He was favoured above all popes by "Our Lady of Mount Carmel" with personal appearances? John swore that the "Virgin Mary" appeared to him. John's son swore it also. John XXII was eventually denounced as a heretic by Emperor Louis of Bavaria, who deposed him and appointed another pope in his place. The emperor's pope purge did not work. The new pope took office and his wife appeared on the scene. The emperor reinstated John XXII. Pope JohnXXII heretical pronouncements became so outrageous that only his death saved him from removal again from the papacy. He had amassed a huge fortune "by duping the poor, by selling livings, indulgences and dispensations". John XXII condemned as heresy both the Franciscan way of life and Pope Nicholas III's praise of it. John XXII's predecessor, Clement V, had distributed the Church's wealth to relatives. The treasury was empty. John XXII healed that problem with a vengeance. He sold everything for a price, absolution from sin, eternal salvation and Templar property. John XXII published a list of crimes and gross sins, together with the individual price for which he, as vicar of Christ would absolve sinners. Everything murder, piracy, incest, adultery, and sodomy to mention a few were on the list. The richer you were the more you could sin; the more Catholics sinned, the richer the John became. A lot of the money was spent to further John XXII's passion for wars. One of his cohorts wrote: "The blood he shed would have incarnadined the waters of Lake Constance, and the bodies of the slain would have bridged it from shore to shore." John XXII's stated that Christ and His apostles had been men of great wealth. He declared that denying this dogma was heresy punishable by death. John demanded that secular rulers burn at the stake Franciscans who had taken vows of poverty. Those who refused to do so were excommunicated. John gave 114 Franciscans to the loving care of the Inquisition and the stake to be burnt for the heresy of purposely living in poverty. Sinclair REF: A Woman Rides the Beast Dave Hunt, Harvest House Publishers 1994 The Code of Canon Law, James A. Coriden, Thomas J. Green, Donald E. Heintschel, eds., Paulist Press, 1985 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John S. Quarterman" <jsq@quarterman.org> To: <sinclair@quarterman.org> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:41 AM Subject: Re: For Glen Cook, demise of the Templars??? > > > That is the question, isn't it? > > >Sinclair [ Excess quotations omitted. ]