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Dear John, May I suggest you read the evidence accepted at the trial of the Templars. If you accept the RC encyclopaedia as a valid historical source rather than as propaganda, then what of the evidence at the trial? Was it even remotely likely that any pope would allow the continuence of an order whose members had admitted homsexuality; spitting on the coss;profane kisses on initiation; veneration of Baphomet and denial of Christ? All evidence has to be examined with discernment. Accusing me of not offereing evidence when the source you quote in support of a continuation is of such dubious origins, is hardly reasonable or just Have I not repeatedly asked, begged and pleaded for independant, verifiable evidence for the continuing existence of the order? Has anything other than the so-called Charter of Larmenius or blatent modern Catholic propaganda been offered? Frankly no. To compare Papal Bulls and Encyclicals with a propagandist encylopaedia carrying the Imprimatur of the Church as a suitable vehicle for instruction in the faith, is like comparing the UN charter with Mein Kampf. Best wishes Tim