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Tim, Your outright dismissal of all RC sources puzzles me greatly . As you well know, history is written by the winners, with an aim of enhancing their glory, and denigrating their enemies. Everybody writes with an "attitude", even today. We don't dismiss these sources outright, but we do subject them to an historiographic scrub-down. Useful info exists hidden in the most biased accounts. Even Geoffrey of Monmouth managed to include some truthful history amidst the many mythic inventions in his fanciful account. The RC sources are no different from the rest in that regard, and should be treated no differently. regards, Joe Erkes Tim Wallace-Murphy wrote: > Dear John, > > With all due respect, quoting modern official catholic sources which are an > apologia and a whitewash for the horrendous injustices and errors of the > past proves nothing except thatthe church is a past-master at obfuscation > over its own earlier actions. > > Questions that I have raised earlier have not been answered,namely: > > How can any organisation claim continuity with a suppressed medieval order > when; > a) its rulership has dramatically altered? [ Excess quotations omitted. ]