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My view is that if the order was formed without Papal authority originally ie 1118AD. Then was given Bernard's monastic rules at Troyes years later, with Papal approval. Then it seems to me, that the order was formed, established and developed without -----Original Message----- From: John S. Quarterman [mailto:jsq@quarterman.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:04 PM To: sinclair@quarterman.org Subject: Re: For Glen Cook, demise of the Templars??? Tim, >To quote the Catholic Encyclopaedia as a source of accurate statements of >Catholic Dogma, Belief and propaganda is fine. However to rely upon it when >it claims the continuance of an heretical and papally suppressed [ Excess quotations omitted. ]