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So, the perrennial question did the Templars survive the suppression? rears its head again. I suppose, from time to time, it always will. Let us try and get some agreement on basic truth and then look carefully at what really happened after the suppresion and then assess the various claims to continuity made by several organisations that exist today. Firstly the original order with its rule, structure and objectives was suppressed by the pope and, in its original form, ceased to exist. Following the supression, one order arose which was truly and unarguably neo-Templar in that it took over Templar knights, changed its allegaince from the pope to the King of Portugal and fairly rapidly developed new rules of entry and membership and completely different objectives - namely the Knights of Christ. This can quite properly be described as neo-Templar, but not as a Templar continuation. It had changed too much for that.. The Knights of Calatrava, the Knights of Alcantara and the Knights of Santiago took in as members many ex-Templars, but as their rules, obligations and objectives were very different indeed form the original order, they can porperly be considered as havens for ex-Templars but do not fall into either the category of Templar or neo-Templar survivals. Templar tradition was kept alive in one form or another, especially in Scotland, by various failies who had been involved in the inner circles of the original Templar order. However, while this factor is important and richly desreves deeper study, particularly as it pertains to the Seatons, St Clairs and Dalhousies among others, the preservation of Templar tradition and its celebration in Rosslyn Chapel cannot be claimed as a route of direct continuation of the original order - despite the often vociferous claims made in that direction by Bob Brydon and other mebers of the modern so-called 'Templar Orders' who claim continuity with the original order. As to those modern revivals claiming continuity, be they in Europe, England, Scotland or the Americas, mostly base their claim to continuity on 'Charter of Transmission of Larmenius'. To those who blindly accept the validity of this charter - one of the most controversial documents studied by historians from the time of its supposed discovery to the present day - I urge caution. I challenge them in precisely the same way I challenged Sinclair of labehotierre some time ago. Go and se the original. If you do not speak french, take anexpert linguist with a knowledge of French semantics and lingusitic development with you. You will find that this allegedly fourteenth century document, written in cipher, translated into Latin and then French is composed in a style with distinct and incontroveribly diagnostic eighteeth century idiom, uses terms and phraseology which are indubitably of Masonic usage and origin of the same period. Rather odd for a pice of paper claiming ostensibly to be of early fourteenth century origin. Opinion about the autheniticity of this pivotal piece of evidence in support of Templar survival (which includes a list of alleged Grand-Masters of the order following Jaques de Molay) has always been shaply divided. Most independant analysts, using its own internal linguistic content as a basis, denounce it as a fraudulent creation probably confected by the alleged finder, Dr. Beranrd Raymond Fabre-Papaprat or one of his associates. Those who, with equal force, stridently support its authenticity, are either members of supposed modern Templar orders of one sort or another, or authors for whom it provides a convenient support for one of their pet themes or another. No independant historian that I have met has, as yet, come out in favour of its authenticity. However, as many members of modern revived Templar orders are people of some influence, I have no doubt that this particular hare will run and run. Do not take my word for this - go and see for yourself. Irrespective of the above, let me conclude by saying that the original Templar order was suppressed by papal decree and ceased to exist as an ongoing, cohesive, recognisable, corporate entity. Yet, Templar tradition did survive, although its form was undoubtedly subject to a process of change as the generations passed, and that, furthermore that this is a profitable area of study. Secondly, some orders can quite accurately be described as neo-Templar, such as the Knights of Christ and probably the Order of the Fleur de-Lys. It may well be appropriate to describe the orders of Lazarus or the order of St Anthony in a similar vein, although that subject too deserves further investigation. The claim made by Prince Michael, that King James of Scotland authorised various grants or charters in favour of late sixteenth or early seventeeth century neo-Templar revivals, will almost certainly stand up as his scholarship in that area is meticulous. Any claims made by Chris Knight and Bob Lomas, lovely people though they are, should, in this field at least, be regarded with considerable scepticisim.Their undoubted expertise lies in the field of internal Masonic research where their knowledge and experience far exceeds my own - althout it must be said that their accuracy in that area has been questiomed on more than one occaision by other scholars in that field. Let us therefore quite properly investigate the following: What happened to surviving members of the Templar order?. What happened to the property and wealth of the original order? Who kept Templar tradtion alive - and how? Which orders may be accurately described as neo-Templar? But please I beg of you all - do not waste your time going down the blind alleys of alleged Templar survival or the many fascinating but completely spurious trails laid down in 'The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail'. Lets have some real history and debate on your findings and opinions. Debate is heathy and productive. Best wishes Tim