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Jeff, RE your studies I doubt that you will find much of use in the historical sources. I have not found a thing that explains the Templars' superb energetic design of their temples. Certainly they would have kept their knowledge secret. However as an example of probable Templar application check out the energy axis from Caerketton Hill where we find the cairn and "Templar Grove" of trees resembling a cross (I think a sword hilt), thence just passing Rosslyn and then to the Temple. I view this as one of two primary energy axes through Rosslyn. I think it "misses" Rosslyn (barely) due to telluric adjustment needed in the axis, further, that this same corrected placement misses the golden ratio point found at the edge of Roslin town. My point being that the whole system of the Edinburgh areas' grids need to be viewed with Temple as part of them. Based on St. Columba's knowledge of the "Lindisfarne L" (... illumined letter L: 1st page of the Lindisfarne Gospels... which is also found in Edinburgh pivoted on Inchcolm (Columba Island) at the St. Columba Chapel, south to Black Hill (old Sinclair Templar tower site), then to Rosslyn)... I would make a strong intuitive guess that the system predates Columba and the Templars later moved into/over the principle sites. Ratcheting that up a notch, look at the complexity of all of Scotlands' grids and decide if the Templars could have psyched all of that out in their short time on the scene. Columba could not have; that leaves the Celts and earlier groups I should think. People say that the earlier peoples were more "Earth-Wise" but just because they might have been stronger in shamanistic technique doesn't make them smarter than later groups who could also specialize in telluric dynamics complementing others. Nor should we assume that the Templars and earlier groups were less sophisticated than we are now or unable to lay out large area grids. After all the argument has blown over the stone circles are still there in the right places. Certainly I'm just guessing about the Columba connection in spite of the indicators, and the degree of academic accuracy in the guess would be debatable if I felt like debating... which I don't. However I think there's enough to it to warrant working hypotheses in that direction: that the area grids predate the Templars. I concur with your remark: "There's a Dundas graveslab inside the roofless kirk, in the northeast corner. Compare the carving on it with the Templar graveslab in Roslin. (....) It's my opinion that Temple was in the hands of the Templars for much, much longer than the historians would like us to believe." RE the Dundas graveslab, my understanding of the old technique was to place the temple's energetic corner stone in the NE corner, generally high up. In keeping with the alchemy of relics including human remains you might assume that the stone, since its in the kirk and showing at the surface, is a grid reference point. You'd begin by checking out the carving on it. If you send me the temple plan and the slab's placement, plus the inscriptions perhaps I could help a bit. I've done a few checks of serious tomb slabs and believe that they may be schematics of larger systems, including that of the Wesford Knight. It would at least pass the idle hour. Bill Buehler [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html