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I think Sally is right. The "Lion Rampant" or Royal Flag of Scotland (as it may only be flown by the Royal Family) may be viewed at http://www.pinette.net/chris/flags/scotland/scot2.html (most accurate as it shows the claws and tongue in blue, often omitted) where they note "The fleurs-de-lys are said to commemorate the long-standing alliance between Scotland and France." The first Lion Rampant of William I "The Lion", 1165-1214 had no such border, and the "Auld Alliance" dates to 1295(see Scottish Section of our website). There are those who suggest that the Lion is the "Lion of Judah", arriving as a symbol in Scotland with the stone of destiny, continuing the line of the Royal House of David through Scota (see Legend of Prince Gathelus in the Scottish Section of our website). I think I remember Charlie, the senior guide at Edinburgh Castle telling us that the Lion has three claws on the left "arm" when the monarch is a Queen, and four for a King, but have never come across this anywhere else. The restriction on Royal use is quite draconian. Cumbernauld was once advise not to fly the Royal Flag from a flagpole by the Lord Lyon using an Act of 1679 which still carries the death penalty. However based on a warrant issued by George V in 1934 the Lord Lyon believes that it is permissible to wave the Royal Flag at Rugby and Football Matches. We keep one at home, just for this purpose. The flag we are all allowed to fly is the Saltire (see Scottish Section of our website). See http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotland/saltire.html Incidentally, neither is it permissible for private citizens of the UK to fly the Union Flag (Saltire, St Georges Cross and St Patrick's Cross combined). See http://www.scotweb.co.uk/scottishfaq/browse/the_saltire_scotland_s_flag1.htm l The first Union Flag was designed by James VI and I in 1603. The Cross of St Patrick came in with the Union with Ireland in 1801. See also http://www.kwtelecom.com/heraldry/scother1.html Yours aye Iain www.iain-laird.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Spangler" <esdemio@worldnet.att.net> To: "Sinclair Digest" <sinclair@matrix.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: The "Auld Alliance" > A follow on to Niven's comments about the French Connection. Unless I > am mistaken the border around the Scottish flag, the one in red and > gold, is the bordure tressure flory counter flory is a symbol of the > "Auld Alliance" between France and Scotland. [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html