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Hi Niven Just thought I`d add a bit after reading your piece that mentioned the south of Scotland speaking Cymric, a language I had not heard of before, but would like to mention that this language seems to share something with the Welsh language - Cymraeg, also in Welsh Aber means estuary. All the best Kermit [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html