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Dear Kevin: Without looking it up... and my memory of old English (which was the language only slightly modified that became lowland Scots) 'rood' has the same entymology as modern 'reed' only it usually means 'tree' in old English. The country gospel song "Tramp on the Street" has the line "Jesus He died on Calvary's Tree" It is not a stretch to see that Rood or Holy Rood becomes Holy Tree. There is a great old Anglo-Saxon poem called "the Dream of the Rood" in which a man dreams of the pain experienced by the tree that became the cross upon which Jesus was crucified. It is very compelling and was a "gestalt" thing 1200 years before Frtiz Perls and Esalon. A pantler is the officer of a household who is in charge of the pantry. Later it became panter or baker. aye, Rory [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html