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Dear Donald: I feel I have to say a little something here with regard to brouhaha developing on iron undepants. First I will tell a wee story that occurred here about 15 years ago. During a Parliamentary Debate, The Honourable Sheila Copps, now Secretary of State in the present Liberal governement, was once taking to task the Honourable John Crosbie, then I believe Minister of Finance in the Tory Government of Brian Mulroney. Sheila was an excellent debater, and on this occasion, got a very good shaft into the hide of Mr. Crosbie. John Crosbie had been bested, he knew it but he began his response with "Listen Baby, you should learn how to keep your voice down" Sheila rose to her feet and on a point of personal priviledge shouted back in perfect pitch " I am NOBODY'S BABY". It was not entirely obvious at the time, but it became a rallying point for women who had felt for years that no matter how smart they were or how right they were, somebody was always going to say "Dear"" Honey" or "Baby". Sheila Copps went on to write her biography and the title was, you guessed it "Nobody's Baby" John Crosbie, a wonderful Newfoundland character that he was (and is), was seen by all to have stepped over a line and it followed him the rest of his political life. The problem as I see it is this Donald: when you, or anyone does this, it patronizes the receiver out of existence -- as is their woman-hood invalidates any statement they make and that is a problem for me. Thanks for your many other contributions however. Rory in Toronto. [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html