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Hello, Sinclairs, I usually lurk on this list, but today I feel obliged to comment on three points: > At 05:46 PM 11/12/2000 -0500, Rebecca Snody wrote: > > >Richard, > > > >I never implied that the CIA had anything to do with the elections. I > >just stated a fact that a candidate's father was once head of the CIA. It > >is well known in the USA that the principles of the founding fathers are > >hanging by a thread, and it is not what you stand for anymore, but who you > >know, your connections, and how much money you or the special/corporate > >interests that back you have. I think what some of us are reacting to--and I would hope that they are Democrats as well as Republicans--is that making a statement like the above about "the candidate's father was once head of the CIA" does a great disservice to more reasoned examination of the situation, because it plants the suggestion that some kind of connection or cause and effect exists--which certainly was not your intention. (Or I hope it was not!) From such beginnings spring Conspiracy Theories--which is not to say that there are never conspiracies, but real conspiracies are really difficult to make work--and conspiring on the level necessary for corrupting the American election system, with all its checks and balances, is highly, highly unlikely. (Remember Occam's Razor.) This is the kind of innuendo that can escalate into some of the really preposterous leaps of logic and really wild and wooly theories (often presented as gospel-truth) that we run into in some of the more sensational speculations about history that have come to light in recent years. (Parts of Holy Blood, Holy Grail and other books springing from that genre come to mind.) The discerning reader can filter out the good and useful information from the wild leaps of logic--and hey, this is where I get some of my best inspiration for some of the fantasy that I write--but it can be dangerous to simply accept what was originally presented as a "what-if" and build a new case on such shaky foundations. I know there's a lot of emotion wrapped around the current confusion over the American presidential election--we see amazing speculations from European observers trying to figure out what's going on in that crazy American republic (Sky News is one of the more astonishing examples of not understanding the American ground-suppositions). But the American system, warts and all, works a whole lot better (most of the time) than anything else around. (You don't want to know about the proportional voting they have here in Ireland!) Anyway, enough said on this. The American Fat Lady will sing when she's good and ready. In my opinion, there wasn't a great deal of difference between the two candidates themselves (and yes, I made the effort to get my absentee ballot and vote, from the wilds of Dublin), so I cast my vote on the basis of the cabinets both candidates were proposing--which, in retrospect, was probably a particularly good move, since such a close election result means that whoever is inaugurated in January is likely to be a one-term President, while the American people sort out where they want to go next, and the Department Heads are going to have a lot of influence, this time around. Second comment--and I'll keep the rest short, because I hadn't planned to go on so much on my first point. Could list members please check their e-mail settings and figure out how to keep their messages from being sent in two formats--which simply doubles the volume of each message; and the second message isn't even easily readable. Full of odd characters and equal signs at the end of lines and other such. Related to this, please--when you've hit the reply button and all that material from what you're answering comes up--highlight and delete everything that is not germane to what you're commenting on. Otherwise, every reply repeats the ENTIRE digest that contains what you're answering. (And if your setting is also doubling up your reply....) Finally, an Atta-boy for Bill Buehler: Bill, I'm not sure I buy or even always understand some of your speculations about sacred geometry and grids and such, but your observations on symbolism really resonante for me sometimes. (Have you thought about the cup marks found on many stones in Scotland?) I really liked your computer analogy for downloading new Grail paradigms. Incidentally, there is a Tristan and Isolde connection here in the Dublin area in an area called Chapelizod, which is a corruption of Chapel Isolde--so the legends got here, as well. Enough for today. One must accomplish SOME work in the course of the day! Regards, Katherine Kurtz (who is Sir Adam Sinclair's "mother") [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html