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I am confused. Sir James "The Good" or "The Black Douglas", Lord of Douglas was one of the signatories of the Declaration of Arbroath Sir James was the son of William "le Hardi" "Hush ye, hush ye, little pet ye, Hush ye, hush ye, do not fret ye, The Black Douglas shall no get ye." The Black Douglas fell at Teba in 1330. His son William became Lord of Douglas in 1330. He fell a Halidon Hill, 1333, leaving no heir. The title passed to his uncle, Hugh, the 2nd son of William "le Hardi". Hugh "The Dull", Lord of Douglas The Death of William, Lord of Douglas at Halidon ended the hereditary line of Sir James "The Good". Therefore, the family honours passed to Sir James' brother, Hugh "The Dull", second of three sons of William "le Hardi". Hugh (1294-1342). lacked the mind needed to manage the Douglas possessions. He gave up his rights. Hugh had no heir, his younger brother, Archibald, the first Regent of Scotland, had also been killed at Halidon. Then the nephew of Sir James, "The Good" and Hugh, "The Dull", William, born in 1340, was created the first proper Earl of Douglas in 1352. In 1353 William was a participant in a rebellion against King David II in 1363, but still managed to earn an appointment as Justiciar of Scotland under Robert II in 1371. An affair with his first cousin, Margaret Stewart, Countess of Mar and Angus, resulted in a son, George, who became the 1st Earl of Angus, founding the Red Douglas branch of the Douglas family. William died in 1384, leaving his titles and possessions to his son James. REF http://www.cyberhighway.net/~cutter/cdsna/history/black/black_home.htm The History of the Houses of Douglas and Angus" by Master David Hume of Godscroft. James The Black - The Good Douglas William J. McPeak "The Highlander" July/Aug 1996 The Bloody Heart Peter Drummond-Murray of Mastrick, Slains Pursuivant of Arms. The Double Tressure - Journal of the Heraldry Society of Scotland, Number 16, 1994. Sinclair -- [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html