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Thanks for the reply , Donald. If I read Niven correctly , and the information I found at the Douglas website, I have both Archibalds and Williams in my tree. Given his reputaion for derring-do , it's no wonder James the Good had a couple of 'natural' children. I think those genes swam out of my pool.Take care , Kevin [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html