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I really think sin and self-centredness might be a little simplistic. While I just can't buy intergenerational trauma, I can recognise that prostitution, to pick one, comes from a lot of causes, very few of them which are self-centred, unless you call survival self-centredness. Mockery - well, that's exactly what you're doing when you dismiss Dale's views in this fashion; child abuse - something most of us have suffered from and got over, but not everyone has the same amount of courage and/or self-insight required for "getting over it" given them at the beginning... Alcoholism has a genetic base, as well as conditioning factors... there is some merit in what Dale has to say and I value her postings, even if I don't agree with them. Milamba > You write of drug use, alcoholism and associated behaviour, prostitution, >mockery, child abuse and give them all some very fancy names and excuses. > > There are other, simpler words for these problems - sin and >self-centredness > > Regards >Judith Sinclair Harper >New Zealand [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html