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on 28/09/00 06:28, Niven Sinclair at niven@niven.co.uk wrote: > At 09:41 28/09/00 +0200, you wrote: >> kevin wrote: "Would anyone know what 'Estotiland' means" >> >> Estotiland could possibly mean Greenland or Nova Scotia, according to old >> sources. It's also mentioned in John Milton's Paradise Lost - but as an >> imaginary tract of land. >> >> Erling > > > Just as the Spaniards referred to the whole of America as Florida (now only > a State); > the Arabs referred to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula as > Andalusia (now only a Province); > the Norse referred to the whole of North America as > 'Engroneland' which included Baffin Island, > Labrador (Helluland) Newfoundland (Markland) > Estotiland (Nova Scotia), > Vinland (New England). > > The settlers of Greenland (as we know it today) > could not have survived > without provisions from the New World. The saga > of Eric 'the Red' as > told in the "Kings Mirror" and the Bull of Pope > Alexander VI describes > Greenland as country 'barren of bread and > oil'. There are reports of a > Bishop John of Ireland meeting his death in > Vinland in 1066 and Bishop > Eric (of Gardar) attending to his flock in Vinland > (1121) from which he > did not return. A bishop's seat was invariably in > the centre of his diocese > and, that being so, Gardar would fit in > with that norm if one takes in the > North American territories. It is a > matter of historical record that the Norse > were in the New World from the 10th > Century onwards. Read Storm, > Rafn, Inverson, Nansen, Rousell, Gunnar > Thompson et al. > > I do not know whether Zeno was the first person to > use the word "Estotiland" > to describe the land (now known as Nova Scotia) > but the name persists in > subsequent maps, notably that of DeVirga (1414) > Claudius Clavius (1424) and > was still being used by Resen (1605). Most of the > map makers rely heavily > on the Zeno map and the known voyages > of Nicholas of Lynn in the mid 1300's > There are a whole host of pre-Columbian maps > which cover North America > whilst DeVirga's map (mentioned above) > covers South America as far South as > Peru. > > South America was known to the Romans as Cattigara > to the Indians as > Patal India > to the Arabs as Wag-Waq > to the Spaniards as > Ophir > > It was here that Francisco Pizarro found hoards > of Inca Gold in 1533 > > People have the mistaken belief that the World was populated by > land-lubbers before the advent of Columbus. > They have also the mistaken belief that the Europeans were the only people > who could sail ships. > > If one studies the many histories of early voyages, a completely different > picture emerges. In particular. > there is an urgent need to study the maps and reports of the Richard > Hakluyt Society which, I believe, will > give proof positive of Henry Sinclair's voyages. Some of the maps are > believed to be reproduced in > Ridpath's History of America. Others are said to be with the Hakluyt > Society in London (now incorporated > in the British Museum) but my early attempts at gaining access did not meet > with any success. Perhaps, > someone with more time on their hands, can take up the search. > > > But back to "Estotiiland": Andrew Sinclair suggests that "Estotiland" may > be a corruption of "East Scotland" > where Henry Sinclair had his Scottish Estates > but I prefer Erling's suggestion. > Place names invariably describe the > terrain e.g. Helluland: the stony land; Markland: > the wooded land; Vinland: the land of the > vine. Greenland was, of course, the > exception and was said to be part of > the ruse to attract settlers there. One wonders > why? > > Niven Sinclair > >> >>>>> kevrik@shaka.com 27.09.00 19:40 >>> >> Would anyone know what 'Estotiland' means and why Prince Henry named his new >> lands with that particular name? Great information about Prince Henry's >> voyages, thanks to all involved. A great time to be on the list ! Mahalo , >> Kevin >> >> [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org >> [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >> are addressed. Unless you are the adressee, you may not read, copy, >> use or store this e-mail in any way, or permit others to. If you have >> received this email in error please notify the system manager at >> postmaster@visa.no or call VISA Norge AS on +47 22013400 >> >> This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by >> MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. >> >> ********************************************************************** >> [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org >> [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html > > > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org > [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html Greetings, from my past readings, I have came across one clear definition of « Estotiland » : the land from (or of) the East - East, or «Hest» (XIIth century English). FB [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html