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Thanks for the info , Ian. I have been a bit harried lately , when I should have been a bit specific. The parents of Elizabeth Sutherland who married John Sinclair (3rd Earl of Caithness)as I found them are William Sutherland and Janet Innes. William's parents were-ta da!- William Sutherland and Janet Innes. This Janet had the pleasing title of Lady Greeship. I have since forwarded my information to Laurel and perhaps we can all share and correct and learn. I will gladly send it anyone else who may be interested. Take care , Kevin [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html