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>and...since we seem to be getting way off topic..jsq - time to invoke the no >politics rule... Actually, I wasn't aware that we had a no politics rule. It's not clear how we could apply it on a list like this, on which history is one of the main topics. No current politics, perhaps? Some of the recent postings have approached religious fervor. Maybe we could invoke the rule against religious proselytizing.... Let me try to tie some politics back to more specifically relevant topics. I'll do this by becoming even more general. :-) Some posters seem puzzled as to why the deported losers of Culloden fought for the British Crown in America during the unpleasantness of late 17th century. There's a simple reason: most of them were required to take oaths to do so before they were deported. That also helps explain why the Scots of Darien in Georgia were free to fight against the crown: they took no such oath. Some highlanders fought for the crown because their chief said so. In some cases I'm pretty sure the chief was the same as had recently had them shipped overseas in the Clearances. Loyalty is a funny thing. Loyalty to what or whom? Under what circumstances? I've recently heard the secessionists in the American South of the 1860s described by a Brit as treasonous. That's a word that is almost never heard stateside in discussing that war. And at the time the southern view was stated quite plainly, e.g., by Jefferson Davis in his inaugural speech as CSA president, as continuing the work of 1776, i.e., the south viewed the north as having wandered off course. Nowadays, of course, there's a big flap going on in the states in which one side claims that war was solely and only about slavery, but let's leave that discussion for some other list. In any case treasonous in the British sense of violating an oath to serve the King is not really a concept that is well-known stateside, since we have no king. (Yes, the concept of treason to the state is still valid, but it is different here.) Scottish devolution or perhaps even eventual independence keeps coming up from time to time on this list. It's hard to say that it isn't relevant, since much of the history we discuss is from a time when Scotland was independent. It's certainly a topic that raises blood pressure and produces strong words, pro and con not only the specific issue but also pro and con nation-states. Let's talk about that more general issue for a moment. The world I live and work in is not one of nation-states. My world is composed of city-states, of which Austin is second only to one which is not even a city, namely Silicon Valley. The rest of this world is composed of places like Toronto, northern Virginia, Seattle, Atlanta, greater Boston, Edinburgh, London, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Melbourne, and Tel Aviv. San Antonio, the next big city geographically from my office, is not part of this world, except in a very peripheral sense. San Antonio trades more with Mexico than any other country. Austin's main foreign trading partner is Japan. Don't get me wrong, I am quite aware of the advantages of the U.S. government and the different but similar advantages of the Canadian, British, Australian, and New Zealand governments. I'm also aware of some of the disadvantages, having had to help sue the U.S. government all the way to the Supreme Court to stop it trying to censor the Internet. But the point is that in the world of the Internet the U.S. Constitution is a local ordinance, and the information economy is not defined by either geography or political boundaries. This high tech world of the computer and Internet industry is not like the neat political maps of color-coded countries that you normally see. It resembles more the world of the Hansa, with its widely scattered cities communicating by their own protocols, trading with everyone else, and driving the economy of its world. Or consider the domain of our hero, Prince Henry Sinclair. Orkney, while nominally a part of Norway, was ruled by a Scottish noble who was crowner of several Scandinavian kingdoms. Let's not forget that Orkney was also a rich place in those days, with good fishing and in the middle of numerous trade routes. Henry's principality was in fact if not in name an autonomous kingdom that did not fit the neat maps of nation-states of his day. Not that they were very neat in his day. In addition to the Hansa, look at any map of Germany of that period and you see not a single Germany, rather numerous small to tiny fragments of political power, loosely roped together by the Holy Roman Empire. And who did Henry choose to associate with? Not only the obvious physical neighbors, but also Venice. Venice wasn't a traditional nation-state, either. It was much more like ancient Athens than like France. Henry used the latest technology (e.g., Venetian cannon) and intelligence (Venetian navigators and far-roaming fishermen). To say he was like a modern-day Internet startup CEO may be stretching an analogy, but there are similarities. Other interesting parallels may be found in the Norman empire of Henry's ancestors. The Vikings were not successful just because they were bloodthirsty and ruthless (though many of them were). They also had superior technology in their warships (if you're ever in Oslo, there's a really good specimen in a nearby museum) that could navigate the high seas with ease. And they were long-distance traders, not just raiders. Our twenty-first century world is not the same as the neat inter-war early 20th century nation-state world, nor the neat post WW II bilateral world. It is rapidly becoming something else, something that was never seen in the 20th century. For parallels, it may be useful to look at other centuries. John [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html