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Rory hit the nail! And perhaps it is no coincidence that "Chanticleer" is the name of the Clan's Australian Newsletter, as advised by Margaret. Of course, as reference to Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable tells us the name comes from the French "Chanter Clair" - to sing clearly - possibly a direct play on names with St Clair, "Sing Clair" = Sinclair, as Niven Sinclair has pointed out before, often happens with heraldic devices. And Brewer's also point to a version of the story earlier than Chaucer's - Reynard the Fox - based on stories going back to Aesop, so it would certainly have been known to the earliest Sinclairs. For this version see http://www.aard-vark.com/reynard/reyc2.htm Yours aye Iain http://ourworld.cs.com/INSLaird/ [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html