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Greetings -- Having studied folklore at the University level , I am prompted to suggest that rather than try to endlessly debate whether the written , chiseled , engraved or verbal " sources " are ""correct "" , that we recognize that all of our heritages rely on many sources of "" facts "" . I have found in my own geneology research that the "" oral tradition "" has been just as representative of the facts as the written records -- even the " official "" ( Church and Government ) sources , including cemetery markers , have often disagreed with one another ! I include this Quote from a source on celtic history for those inclined to pursue the matter :: "" The Celts did not use the art of writing to any great extent and then only near the end of their independence. A form of writing called Ogham may have been used by certain members of Celtic society, most likely the druids, to record important information. In general, however, they chose to record their past and traditions orally and communicated with other nations only by word-of-mouth. Like many communities all over the world, the Celts paid great attention to the development of an advanced oral technique as a vehicle for the transmission of their thoughts. Among illiterate peoples, the training of the memory is cultivated to a degree unheard of among readers of books, and the proficiency of the Gauls in this respect is commented on by Caesar: ‘It is said that [the Druids] have to memorize a great number of verse - so many, that some of them spend twenty years at their studies. The Druids believe that their religion forbids them to commit their teachings to writing, although for most other purposes, such as public and private accounts, the Gauls use the Greek alphabet. But I imagine that this rule was originally established for other reasons - because they did not ant their doctrine to become public property, and in order to prevent their pupils from relying on the written word and neglecting to train their memories; for it is usually found that when people have the help of texts, they are less diligent in learning by heart, and let their memories rust.' To form an efficient means for the widespread transmission of thought, the subject matter must be clothed in an easy to remember form, such as poetry or song, otherwise it would quickly deteriorate and die out. The whole intellectual life of the Gauls in pre-Roman times was carried on by means of oral teaching, and closely associated with their trained eloquence was their power of memorizing. The education of the young and the intellectual life of all classes was carried on by two classes of men known as druids and bards, who taught entirely by means of poetry orally transmitted. Despite the absence of books their teaching was a intensive and included such subjects as astronomy, nature, religion, and philosophy. In trying to understand the motivations, attitudes, philosophies, and laws of the Celts, we are handicapped by the early prohibition of the Celts against committing their knowledge to written record. So it was not until the Greeks and Romans began to write their accounts of the Celts, sometimes culturally misconceived and invariably biased, that the Celts emerged into recorded history. So, we view the ancient Celts of continental Europe through Greek and Roman eyes, since they have left no written record of themselves. However, when the insular Celts of Britain and Ireland began to put their knowledge into written form in the Christian era it was not too late to form a perspective, bearing in mind the cultural changes from early times. """ Regards to all , Joe Greigg [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html