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>Don Sinclair wrote: > >> Dear Tim, >> >> Take a friggin hike! >> > >Amen, Don!!! Now, now, that's hardly hospitality. Tim is entitled to his opinion, and he may even convince others that he is right. Furthermore, I'd like to remind everyone that forged foundation documents are not at all uncommon in history. One of the most famous is the Donation of Constantine, which alleged that the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great granted numerous privileges and possessions to the Pope, in particular it gave the Bishop of Rome primacy over all the Patriachs of the East: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05118a.htm This document was forged sometime between 750 and 850, but was not proved to be a forgery until 1440. Throughout most of history, many people thought nothing of inventing dialog and events to illustrate the character of the subject of whatever they were writing, even when they claimed to be writing history. This is why there are so many apocryphal and pseudepigraphical books claiming to have been written by Biblical figures. (This technique has been revived lately in, for example, a recent biography of Ronald Reagan.) Recording hearsay as fact was also common; Herodotus, for example, is notorious for that. No fraud was intended by most of these people; they merely wrote what they were convinced must have happened. And where exactly is the line between fact and fiction? Homer turns out to have recorded more true information about society and places from 500 years before he wrote than had been believed until archaeology demonstrated it. One of my hobbies is the evolution of esoteric societies and religious organizations. I am indeed no historian, but I can say that it is quite common for people of the most impeccable intentions to make up stories about the founding of their organizations, to reinterpret texts that originally meant something else, or to suppress information that would not contribute to their position. This can happen consciously, or it can happen through what the person believes is divine intervention (and who am I to say it isn't). Even more subtly, they can simply not contradict assertions made or documents produced by other people. This plus occult organizations have spawned more bad blood and petty infighting than even university faculties. Every schism of such an organization provides motive for the production of documents to prove the schismatics are more true than the other parties. Not everyone has always been able to or even wanted to resist such temptation. So it is not at all implausible to suggest that the Charter of Larmenius was a forgery. However, I, like many others would like to see the evidence. And I would like to see the evidence that that Charter was authentic, as well. John S. Quarterman <jsq@mids.org> [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html