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labehotierre stated below >The first gift of Land to the Templers was due to the wife of Hugh de = Payen, Count de Champagne, Catharine Sinclair. Guillaume de Tyre a = Templer Historian recorded the founding 70 years after the event. = Guillaume gives the founding date as 1118 when the King of Jerusalem = (Baudoin I) younger brother Godfroi de Bouillon announced to the King = of the formation of the Order. Hugh de Payen and his principal co-founder of the order, Andre de = Montbard, travelled to England to see the King and, having obtained = safe-conduct from him, went directly north across the border to = Scotland, where the two knights stayed at Roslyn with the St Clairs, who = were Hugh's relatives by marriage. The lord of Roslyn made an immediate = grant of land to the new order which became their headquarters in = Scotland. The oldest Templar site in Scotland, once known as = Ballontrodoch, is now called Temple after the order.< Are you stating here that Guillaume de Tyre makes reference to the marrage of Hugh and Catherine? Guillaume de Tyre was a notoriously inaccurate chronlcler of Templar History, even accepting this I'd be interested in a more accurate statement as to where it is mentioned. I was under the impression that there was no proof for the claim that Hugh de Payen was married to anyone far less to Catherine Sinclair. I also thought that Knights templar were supposed to be unmarried an celibate. I would be extremely pleased if someone could give me a reference for this claim and for the claim that Hugh visited Roslin. regards John [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html