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Dear Privateers, Attend the debate when it takes plac, it should be fun, stimulating anfinformative. Question: have you ever seen any evidence that the Inquisition ever used crucifixion, bearing in mind that just like the Naziz, they kept immaculate records? As I said in an earlier posting, the work of Dr. Garza-Vermes has given serious scientific reasons which indicate that the carbon dating is grossly flawed. An idea which has been accepted in principle as a distinct possibility by the scientist in charge of the testing. This, therefore, pending further tests - if any- , opens up the whole question and leaves us reliant on earlier scientific work which indicates most strongly that the Shorud was woven in Palestine or Egypt, that is been exposed near the Dead Sea and probably is nearly two thousand years old judging by the weave. The matter of whether or not it is the Shroud of Jesus, is simply a matter of belief and not of fact as I stated some wek or more ago. >From my personal point of view, the message to be discerned in the Shroud is equally valid and the same, be it medieval or biblical. I am only interested in establishing further scientific enquiries, having a good debate and stimulating further study in an effort to establish some degree of truth. It is appropriate to remeber that I made my first positing on this mattter in repsonse to a correspondant who stated categorically that it was the Shroud of de Molay. Again a matter of belief and not of fact. Best wishes Tim [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html