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Thus far we have the Battle of Teba occuring in three different months: 25 March 1330 (Laurel quoting Ronald McNair Scott) 8th September, 1330 (Niven) 25 August 1330 (Pete Cummings) At least we all agree on the year.... >>Mediterranian and then up the coast to Scotland, it is obvious that in that >>warm climate these bodies couldn't be taken home as they were. So Sir >>William Keith had the bodies prepared for the journey by having them boiled >>(in vinegar-from a Cadfael story) so that the flesh fell off. It was only >>the bones of the dead that went back to Scotland. The flesh was buried in >>holy ground in Spain. I wonder whether anyone has gone there to look for a >>monument to them? Teba (not Theba; there is no th in Spanish) has its own web pages: http://www.costadelsol.net/web/teba/Index.htm They mention a memorial plaque. That battle was the biggest thing that ever happened in Teba. :-) As for Saladin, http://www.manhal.com/salah.html yes, he was exceptional, but Muslims in general considered Christian Europeans to be barely better than barbarians with no manners, and with quite a bit of justification, given the behavior of the crusaders. The Byzantines held a similar opinion, for similar reasons. In any case, Laurel and Niven's writeups are now in http://www.mids.org/sinclair/who/william_d_teba.html John S. Quarterman <jsq@mids.org> [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html