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----- Original Message ----- From: Privateers To: Ssinclair@jump.net Sent: Friday, June 25, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: Clans I thought it might be useful to detail where the principle Clans of Scotland originate from. Here is a brief list underneath. Norse---------- Gunn MacLeod Morrison Sutherland Norman--------- Cummings Comyns Cummins Bruce Frasier Gordon Grant Macpherson Sinclair Anglo-Norman------- Graham Lindsey Menzies French----------- Ogilvy Celtic------------- Cameron Macfarlane Macgregor Macky Mackenzie Macintosh Mackinnon Maclachlan Maclaren Maclean Macmillan Macnab Macnoughton Macneill Malcolm Robertson (Clan Donnachaidh) Gaelic------------- Ross English----------- Stewart of Appin German---------- Murray Unknown--------- Moncriff Urquhart (An American, Kenneth Urquhart is the 26th Chief of the Clan) Sinclair I am sure all Comyn, Cummings, Cummin etc originate from Flanders not Normandy. there is also considerable doubt about the origins of the Frasers possibly Flemish also. It seems that in Scotland/ Britain it is a sign of pedigree if you can claim Norman family origins but not so Flemish. I myself think that the vast amounts of trade between Flanders and lowland Scotland in Medieval times and the fact that William had a very large Flemish force in his army in 1066 must surely mean that many families claiming Norman descent are actually of Flemish stock. Bye the Bye. My own family names are Duguid, which is generally found in Perthshire Aberdeenshire and many think may be Norman in origin, Lorimer, Graham, and Montgomery all of which claim Norman origin. I myself consider that in general is what is around you now that contributes your attidutes, your culture, and your feelings of nationality , not where your family may or may not have originated from over 900 years ago. I therefore consider myself Scottish having been born here and lived here for 38 years. [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@jump.net. [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html