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Douglass Name > In Gaelic, dubh means black, and glas means grey. These are the main > shades used in the tartan. The earliest recorded Douglas seems to be > William of Douglas, whose name appears as a witness to charters between > 1175 and 1211 around Lanarkshire, but from whom he was descended is > unknown. John ========= >Maybe we could have a list of the titles and descriptions of their use. If others were added through the years that could be indicated. Much of what you have said John would explain this so well for everyone.Laurel I was always taught that the name Douglass came from Dark Foreigner. dubh meaning dark as you correctly state, but glass being a derivative of Galles/Galician/Walles/Vlach etc etc which generally means stanger/foreigner. Here's another question, and I do hope that this is not too contentious as I have no axe to grind against Sinclairs (not being one myself)but having an interest in all Scottish history. Do the Sinclairs blow there trumpet load enough? What I'm trying to say here is that many of the discussions on the list refer to the Sinclair connections to nobility, famous exploits with William the conquerer, "The Lordly line of High Sinclair", Prince Henry etc etc etc. But I'd wager that if you asked any Scot (I am Scottish) to name famous Scottish families they'd give you MacDonald, Douglass, Grant, Campbell, Hamilton, Seton, McNeil etc long before before they mention Sinclair. In fact I tried this in the office the other day (full of Scots ) and got the results much as stated. Again I am not trying to belittle Sinclair acheivements or to upset anyone on the list, all I'm doing here is asking do the Sinclairs promote there history well enough outside the clan? John Duguid Dunbar Scotland [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@jump.net. [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html