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juli, it's pat, i can't help you with your questions(i have trouble getting around new jersey) but i wanted you to know i got the copy of the 1851 census and the 2 death certs. thank you so much, you are a peach. hope all is well at home, just came from my surgeon's and everything looks good, don't have to see him until sept. had a busy day, had to travel from haddonfield(dr.'s) to south plainfield (home of the fiddler in our band) to tinton falls(home of the banjo player) my fault, i have a set to do this sat. and i waited until the last minute. since we all live so far awfrom each other we make tapes of the songs we want to do, so everyone can play with the tapes. i could have mailed them but because i took so long getting it together i had to drop them off. i'm going to sleep now, good luck on your search. pat [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@jump.net. [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html