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Interesting reading the mail about the saint. Surely an application could be made to the Vatican Library for information on the history of the man. And would it be possible to use an imaging technique to pick up whether or not the carved date has weathered and is 3 or 8? I'm trying to remember but I think it is infra-red imaging which will bring up the traces of carving. Perhaps someone in the Clan may know more of these archaeological techniques. Anyway keep up the good work. Jean Sinclair Stokes [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@jump.net. [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html