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HELLO AGAIN -- Forgot to add in my last posting , that for those who may not know , the MACGREGORS were most certainly a Highland Clan from the east bank of LOCH LOMOND and other nearby areas . I suspect that many are also not aware that there is a majority ?? of our ancestry from the two peoples mentioned in the subject line i.e. SARMATIANS AND SCYTHIANS . These peoples may ?? also be the ancestors of the BERBERS and the BASQUES ?? Even some Biblical passages mention them !!! The Sarmatians were the inventors of chain mail and more importantly , the stirrup on saddles which allowed a warrior using a spear to remain seated after contact with another mounted warrior or foot soldier . The Sarmations were the " heavy calvary " for one of the ROMAN Legions and were stationed in the area of the GODODIN on the border between the BRITONS and the PICTS . Both these peoples were from the regions north and northeast of the Black Sea . To the east of these peoples were the Cimmerians made famous in the novels of ROBERT E. HOWARD i.e. Conan the Barbarian !!! It is interesting to note that the " clans " were aware of this and even PRINCE HENRY SINCLAIR did not disput this origin . I would guess that this is sufficient " food for thought " at this time for our list members to " chew on " . JOE GREIGG [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@jump.net. [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html