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[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@jump.net. [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html ------- A recent posting to this list contained the following observation : "There seems to be a lot of thin-skinned members of the Clan Sinclair, Inc. on this list, especially when it come to the deeds or misdeeds of Sinclair nobility. I hope you have found things different in the actual association." I feel motivated to expand on the thought behind this statement and several others that have appeared in the past week or so . In our quest for knowledge , some of us seem to lose sight of the difference between what is history and open to candid discussion e.g. Rollo rustled cattle ; Robin Hood was a highwayman while a templar and associated therefore with the Sinclairs ; Rob Roy also rustled cattle ; the Rosslyn Sinclairs were indebted to and fraternized with the gypsies ; and the Scots , the Picts and Vikings were savage beyond belief , as measured by modern standards !! Who today can relate to a system so stern as in the example of a Scottish chief who threatened to disown his oldest son for being so weak that he dared to use a rock for a pillow while sleeping in the heather between battles . As we also see today , one is called a patriot or a terrorist depending on which side is writing the commentary . I should also note that most Scots under the clan system did not divide into nobility versus commoner but rather as large families, with the chiefs as first among equals . On the other hand , an old , but still applicable , definition of a Lady or a Gentleman was that "they were one who NEVER by word or deed caused injury to another ". In our pursuit of our history (geneology ) , it seems that some of our list members have not discerned the significant differences between a calm , candid discussion of those long dead and their deeds(or misdeeds ) and the extreme standards of discretion and care necessary when discussing those still living or the families of those recently deceased .That standard is the one expressed in the preceding paragraph . When these standards are overlooked , the resulting dissension and discussion is a normal result and to be expected , althought certainly not desirable . I might also add , that curiosity is not an excuse -- our host for the list termed it as " tacky " if my memory is correct . I personally hope that our future discussions on the list are " lively " but not "acrimonious" , as in several recent discussions , Perhaps if we remember the concept of a clan as an extended family it will all fall into place if anyone is unsure of how ( or if ) to proceed . Kindest regards to all, JOE GREIGG