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In message <001c01be65e9$470a5f40$2d84bc3e@sinclair>, "Sinclair, Lord of
Keswick" <xhr19@dial.pipex.com> writes
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>The Union flag is only called a Union Jack when it is flown from the Jack
>staff of a ship
>-----Original Message-----
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>From: John S. Quarterman <jsq@mids.org>
>To: sinclair@jump.net <sinclair@jump.net>
>Date: 04 March 1999 11:35
>Subject: Re: The Banner mail and Flags
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>>>>From what I know, heard etc. St. Andrews cross, the white "X" on blue
>>>represents the crucifixtion of St. Andrew who insisted he was unworthy
>>>to be crucified like Christ. So he insisted that they crucify him
>>>horizontally and the "X" represents that.
>>
>>St. Andrew's cross is also called a Saltire.
>>
>>The white on blue color scheme has to do with such a cross that
>>appeared in clouds in the sky at a battle, signalling Scottish
>>victory. I think it was the battle of Largs in 1263,
>> http://www.scotclans.com/clans/1263.htm
>>
>>The white on blue St. Andrew's cross flag is also called the Saltire.
>>As a flag, it is one of the oldest national flags in the world.
>> http://www.worrall.net/clients/fotw/flags/gb-scotl.htm
>>
>>>In the British flag, if you look there is the St. Andrews cross as well
>>>as St. George's cross (vertical and horizontal red) and I believe the
>>>cross representing Wales as well. The flag came about after the
>>>unification of Scotland, Wales and England.
>>
>>That's the Union Jack. Its blue was darkened about 1801 and again in
>>1869, and is much darker than the blue color of the Saltire.
>> http://www.worrall.net/clients/fotw/flags/gb.html
>>
>>What blue the Saltire should be is a subject of much debate.
>>The best answer I've seen is to wait to see what flies outside
>>the new Scottish Parliament House when it opens; the color of
>>that flag will have been pedanted to death.
>>
>>The Saltire also appears in many other flags, including those of
>>Nova Scotia, Hawaii, and Georgia, all of which may be seen in
>> http://www.mids.org/sinclair/
>>
>>There is also the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia,
>> http://www.worrall.net/clients/fotw/flags/us-anv.html
>>and its derivative the Confederate battle flag.
>>
>>All of these Saltires are derived by various historical processes
>>from the Scottish Saltire. The Hawaii flag, for example, incorporates
>>a Union Jack. And if you count all the other flags that do the same,
>>such as Australia, the total number is probably rather large.
>>
>>There are other Saltire flags that are probably not related,
>>such as the red on white St. Patrick's Saltire Irish flag,
>>and the green historical Polish flag.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>John
>>--
>>John Sinclair Quarterman <jsq@mids.org>
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